Elder Notes ─ Generation 8 ─ Robert and Maude Elder
Summary
Robert8 Elder (Henry7, Joshua6, James5, Joseph4, William3, Peter2, Peter1) was born about 1877 in Rutherford County, Tennessee, to parents Henry M. and Ann E. Elder. Robert married Maude Logan in Davidson County, Tennessee, in 1898; Robert and Maude had 8 children. The family moved to the Detroit area in 1917 seeking work in the automobile industry. After Maude Elder died in 1935, Robert married Marian Abbott. He died in 1955 in Orlando, Florida.
Records
These are the principal records for Robert and Maude Elder:
- Robert S. Elder appeared as a son of Henry and Ann Elder in the 1880 Census
of Rutherford County, Tennessee:
1880 Population Census [1880 Census of United States, Rutherford County, Tennessee, Civil District 14, Christiana, Village of Jordans Valley, enumeration date 4 Jun 1880, Microfilm series T9, Roll 1276, page 252] [record]
Name Age Sex Relationship
to headOccupation Birthplace-
SelfBirthplace-
FatherBirthplace-
MotherElder, Henry M. 47 M Dry Goods and
Grocery MerchantTN VA VA Elder, Ann E. 46 F wife Keeping House TN NC IN Elder, Henry M. 20 M son Clerk in Store TN TN TN Elder, Ann E. 15 F daughter At School TN TN TN Elder, Minnie H. 14 F daughter At School TN TN TN Elder, Ginnie H. 12 F daughter At School TN TN TN Elder, Nathaniel B. 10 M son At School TN TN TN Elder, Charlot F. 6 F daughter At School TN TN TN Elder, Robbert S. 3 M son TN TN TN
- (Maude) Tennessee Logan appeared as a daughter of J. R. and Martha Logan
in the 1880 Census of Davidson County, Tennessee:
[1880 Census of United States, Davidson County, Tennessee, Civil District 9, enumeration date 5 Jun 1880, Microfilm series T9, Roll 1251, page 121] [record]
Name Age Sex Relationship
to headOccupation Birthplace -
SelfBirthplace -
FatherBirthplace -
MotherLogan, J. R. 48 M carpenter TN TN TN Logan, Martha 40 F wife keeping House TN TN TN Logan, Medora 20 F daughter seamstress TN TN TN Logan, Thos. 17 M son carpenter TN TN TN Logan, Martha A. 15 F daughter at school TN TN TN Logan, William 12 M son at school TN TN TN Logan, Maggie 9 F daughter at school TN TN TN Logan, Melissa 7 F daughter TN TN TN Logan, Tennessee 4 F daughter TN TN TN Logan, Alice 4/12 F daughter TN TN TN
- Robt. S. Elder married Maude T. Logan on 5 Feb 1898, solemnized by
C. A. Moone [Davidson County, Tennessee, Marriage Records, Book 11, page 326]
[record]
- R. S. Elder and family appeared in the household of his father H. M. Elder in the 1900
Census of Davidson County, Tennessee:
[1900 Census of United States, Davidson County, Tennessee, Civil District 21, enumeration date 8 or 9 Jun 1900, Microfilm series T623, Roll 1566, page 270] [record]
Name Age Birth
MonthBirth
YearSex Relationship
to headOccupation Birthplace-
SelfBirthplace-
FatherBirthplace-
MotherElder, H. M. 68 Mar 1832 M Head Farmer TN TN TN Elder, Lilly R. 35 Apr 1865 F wife Keeping House TN TN TN Elder, R. S. 24 Apr 1876 M son Clerk in Store TN TN TN Elder, M. T. 23 Nov 1876 F daughter-in-law At School TN TN TN Elder, W. L. 1 Nov 1898 M grandson TN TN TN Ross, John 50 Mar 1850 M servant Farm Laborer TN TN TN Nelson, Thomas 34 Feb 1866 M servant Farm Laborer TN TN TN
- Robert Elder appeared in Nashville city directories from X to 1917:
Year Listing Page 1898 1899 1900 1901 1902 1903 1904 1905 1906 1907 1908 1909 1910 1911 Elder, R Scott, carp, 100 N 1 st, h e s Logan av 3 n of Thompson lane 341 1912 Elder, Robert S, carp, h e s Logan av 3 n of Timmons rd 331 1913 1914 Elder, R Scott (Tennie) lab h e s Logan av 3 w Timmons rd 267 1915 1916 1917 Elder, Robt S (Tennie) carp h 2824 Logan av 232 1918 not listed [citation]
- Scott Elder and wife Maud T. Elder acquired a tract of land in Civil District 6, Davidson
County, Tennessee, from John Logan and wife Martha Logan "for and in consideration of the relinquishing, of
Maud T. Elder, of her claim under a mortgage, executed by J. S. Logan and wife Martha Logan to
W. L. Logan, Maggie M. Logan, Melissa M. Logan, Maud T. Logan and
Alice M. Logan and recorded in Book 206 page 141 Registers Office of Davidson County..."; bounded by West boundary of Timmons and
Lesley Farms, running West to Avenue, South to NW corner of Nat Elder lot, being part of "J. S. Logan Place"; dated 20 Oct 1908,
recorded 2 Dec 1913 [Davidson County, Tennessee, Deed Book 452, pages 42-43; LDS microfilm number 332898]
- Robert S. Elder appeared as head of household in the 1910 Census of Davidson County, Tennessee:
[1910 Census of United States, Davidson County, Tennessee, Civil District 6, enumeration date 4 May 1910, Microfilm series T624, Roll 1496, page 15] [record]
Name Age Sex Relationship
to headOccupation Birthplace -
SelfBirthplace -
FatherBirthplace -
MotherElder, Robert S. 33 M head Carpenter TN TN TN Elder, Maud T. 33 F wife None TN TN TN Elder, William L. 11 M son None TN TN TN Elder, Martha A. 9 F daughter None TN TN TN Elder, Robert S. 8 M son None TN TN TN Elder, Charlotte 5 F daughter None TN TN TN Elder, Nathalie 2 F daughter None TN TN TN Elder, Maud L. 7/12 F daughter None TN TN TN Number of years present marriage = 12; 6 of 6 children living
- "Our family left Nashville for Detroit July 7, 1917. We came on the train. My father and older brother
Wm. Leon had been here for a few weeks." [From correspondence: Martha Sparks (daughter of
Robert S. Elder Sr.) to Robert S. Elder III, 1978] [record,
page 6]
- Robert Elder reported the following on his Draft Registration Card in 1918: age 41, born 7 Apr 1877; wife
Maude Tennessee Elder; occupation "bench work" at Lincoln Motor Company; address 786 Kirby Circle, Detroit, Michigan; signed
Robert Scott Elder [World War I draft registration records, Ancestry.com] [record]
- Robert S. Elder appeared as head of household in the 1920 and 1930 Censuses of Wayne County, Michigan
[record]:
1920 Census [1920 Census of United States, Wayne County, Detroit City, Ward 10, enumeration date 6 Jan 1920, Michigan, Microfilm series T625, Roll 809, page 252]
Name Age Sex Relationship
to headOccupation Birthplace -
SelfBirthplace -
FatherBirthplace -
MotherElder, Robert S. 42 M head Machinist TN TN TN Elder, Maude T. 42 F wife None TN TN TN Elder, William L. 21 M son Machinist TN TN TN Elder, Martha A. 19 F daughter Stenographer TN TN TN Elder, Robert S. Jr. 17 M son Machinist TN TN TN Elder, Charlotte M. 15 F daughter None TN TN TN Elder, Nathalie M. 12 F daughter None TN TN TN Elder, Maude L. 10 F daughter None TN TN TN Elder, Katherine C. 6 F daughter None TN TN TN Elder, Margaret L. 1 3/12 F daughter None MI TN TN Machinists in auto factory
1930 Census [1930 Census of United States, Wayne County, Michigan, City of Detroit, Ward 22, Greenfield Township, enumeration date 5 May 1930, Microfilm series T626, Roll 1070, page 270]
Name Age Sex Relationship
to headOccupation Birthplace -
SelfBirthplace -
FatherBirthplace -
MotherElder, Robert S. 51 M head Shipper TN TN TN Elder, Maud T. 53 F wife None TN TN TN Elder, Maud L. 20 F daughter Book keeper TN TN TN Elder, Katherine 17 F daughter None TN TN TN Elder, Margaret 11 F daughter None MI TN TN Aubuchon, Alfred 26 M head Grinder MO MO MO Aubuchon, Nathalie 22 F wife None TN TN TN House owned, value $10,500; age at first marriage RSE-18/MTE-20; shipper in auto factory; book keeper in bank
- Robert Elder appeared in most Detroit, Michigan, city directories from 1918 to 1941:
Year Listing Page 1918 Elder, Robt S mach hd h786 Kirby av w 760 1919-1920 Elder, Robt S mach h786 Kirby av w 884 1920 Elder, Scott h5415 (449) Avery av 1173 1921-1922 Elder, R Scott auto mech h5415 Avery av 962 1922-1923 Elder, R Scott lab h5415 Avery av 936 1923-1924 Elder, Robt S h5415 Avery av 969 1925-1926 Elder, Robt S autowkr h5415 Avery av 976 1927-1928 Elder, Robt S (Maud) auto mech h5415 Avery av 948 1928-1929 not listed 836 1930-1931 Elder, Robt S (Maude) autowkr h9551 Ward av 719 1931-1932 Elder, Robt S (Maude) asmblr h9551 Ward av 622 1932-1933 Elder, Robt S (Maude) h9551 Ward av 1934 Elder, Robt S (Maud T) mach h9393 Manor av 608 1935 Elder, Robt S (Maude T) mach h8280 Epworth Blvd apt 311 666 1936 Elder, Robt S tool crib h8280 Epworth Blvd apt 311 475 1936-1937 Elder, Robt S tool crib atndt h8280 Epworth Blvd apt 311 618 1938 Elder, R S (Marian R) lab h8920 N Martindale av apt 1 531 1939 Elder, Robt S (Marion) cribmn h8920 N Martindale av apt 1 519 1940 Elder, Robt S (Marion) cribmn h8920 N Martindale av apt 1 535 1940-1941 Elder, Robt S (Marion) h8920 N Martindale av apt B1 556 Note: no directories were printed during the war; the next one on microfilm was 1953 and Robert S. Elder wasn't listed.
[City Directories of the United States, Detroit, Michigan, Reels 19, 21, 23, 25, 27, 29, 31, 33, 35, 37, 39, 41, 43, 45, 0505301, 0505303, 0505306, 0505308, 0505311, 0505313, 0505316, Library of Congress]
- Maude Elder died 9 Jun 1935 in Detroit, Wayne County, Michigan at age 58; born 24 Nov 1876 in Nashville,
Tennessee; parents John S. Logan and Martha Turverbill; buried in Rosewood Cemetery in Detroit on 11 Jun 1935;
undertaker Becker; informant Robert S. Elder (8280 Epworth Blvd) [Death Certificate, Michigan Department of Health]
[record]
- Robert Elder married (2) Marian R. Abbott ... [record?]
- Robert Elder appeared in Orlando, Florida, city directories ...?
- Robert S. Elder died 8 Sep 1955 in Orlando, Orange County, Florida at age 78; born 7 Apr 1877 Murpheysboro,
Tennessee; parents not given; buried in Greenwood Cemetary in Orlando 12 Sep 1955; undertaker Fairchild Funeral Home; informant
Marian R. Elder [Death Certificate, State Board of Health, Florida] [record]
- Marian Abbott Elder, born 30 Mar 1886, died Mar 1981 in Orlando, Florida; SSN 377-10-6307 [Social Security Death Index, http://www.worldvitalrecords.com/indexinfo.aspx?ix=ssdiall]
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Discussion of Records
What can one learn from these records?
Birth
Robert Elder was born in Rutherford County, Tennessee, on 7 Apr 1877 based on his draft registration (record 9) and death certificate (record 15).
Family
Robert Elder's parents were Henry7 and Ann Elder (record 1). For more information see Henry Elder notes.
Marriages
Robert Elder married Maude Logan in Davidson County, Tennessee, on 5 Feb 1898 (record 3); he married (2) Marian R. Abbott by 1938 (record 11, record 16).
Wives' Families
Maude Tennessee Logan was the daughter of John S. Logan and Martha Turbeville Logan (record 2). She was born in Davidson County, Tennessee, on 24 Nov 1876 (record 12). For more information see John S. Logan notes. I haven't found Marian Abbott's family.
Children
Robert and Maude Elder had eight children (Censuses of 1910 and 1920, correspondence from their daughter Martha A. Elder Sparks, and conversations with their son Robert S. Elder Jr.):
William Leon Elder
Martha Ann Elder
Robert Scott Elder Jr.
Mary Charlotte Elder
Maggie Nathalie Elder
Maude Logan Elder
Kathryn Cynthia Elder
Margaret L. Elder
Residences
Robert Elder lived in Rutherford and Davidson Counties in Tennessee (1880, 1900 and 1910 Censuses). He and his family moved to Detroit, Wayne County, Michigan in 1917 (record 8). He and his second wife moved to Orlando, Florida, after 1941 (record 11)
Death
Robert Elder died 8 Sep 1955 in Orlando, Orange County, Florida (record 15).
Wives' deaths
Maude Elder died 9 Jun 1935 in Detroit, Michigan (record 12); Marian Elder died Mar 1981 in Orlando, Florida (record 16).
Land
Robert and Maude Elder were given land in Davidson County, Tennessee, by Maude's parents, John and Martha Logan, in 1908 (record 6). City directories show different addresses in Detroit, Michigan (record 11).
Associates
[to be added?]
Other Elders
[to be added?]
Contemporary Events
Robert Elder lived 78 years.
The most traumatic public occurrences of his life were the two World Wars and the Great Depression.
He lived under Presidents from Rutherford B. Hayes to Dwight D. Eisenhower.
In 1896 Henry Ford built his first automobile in a rented workshop on Mack Avenue in Detroit. In 1904 he founded the Ford Motor Company. Ford introduced "the first affordable automobile", the Model T, in 1908.
References
Wikipedia, History of Detroit [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detroit,_Michigan#History]